Systematic Theology Forum
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Systematic Theology Forum
summary:
A wiki to produce a systematic theology.
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Re: Systematic Theology Forum
rogermugs 1211038191|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
now also includes a bible commentary section…
sweet
Re: Systematic Theology Forum
Brigantia Chris 1214073448|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
How could there possibly by a god? You mention the bible; does that mean that your god is a white, middle class god with the same morals as the society that you live in? How convenient…
Expand your horizons a little and see that your fairy tale view of the world could not exist.
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PS. I shall check back to see whether you are prepared to have your view challenged or whether you prefer to scuttle off instead.
Re: Systematic Theology Forum
kawina 1214100345|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I wonder whether this is the right place to discuss the content of individual wikis. I've seen discussions on technical issues here, and that's indeed something useful for the whole Wikidot community. However, showing your ideological disagreement with a wiki's content here is a waste of our time. If you have issues with the content of one specific wiki, and that's a public one with a public forum, discuss them there. If not, you gotta learn how to live with ideas with which you disagree.
The beauty of Wikidot (besides being the best content-management option I've ever used) is its free nature: if you want to debate the "Systematic Theology" wiki manager, and his forum doesn't allow it, create your own wiki. You can even link to his pages to give the public a chance to know how much more enlightened your ideas are.
Now, being a non-Anglo, non-White, non-Protestant myself, I take issue with your characterization of the god in the Bible as a "white, middle class god" (even if many folks in the Bible Belt would like to believe that). I'm not a Bible expert (and do not intend to become one), but as far as my knowledge of history goes, the god described there is originally Jewish; it doesn't differ much (at least in fundamentalist approaches) from the Muslim god; and, when Christianity spread, (Northern) Europeans were late-comers, Ethiopians and Egyptians being among the pioneers.
Now, if by "white" you mean Semitic, Middle-Eastern, I would absolutely agree with you. But I doubt that's what you had in mind…
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Helmuti_pdorf 1214118060|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Thanks, Kawina!
Nothing more to say…
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Re: Systematic Theology Forum
Brigantia Chris 1214122047|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Well put Kawina: But I'm afraid that I just could not resist a little Christian-bating in truth. The turning of the other cheek and forgiveness that they so commonly preach are so rarely applied on a personal level that it can be an interesting game to prod them and see where it goes. You are correct that my comments were aimed at the stereotype white middle class believers and not at those who consider their god to have Semitic routes, (in fact most that I know are anti-Semitic insomuch as their general Christian xenophobia prescribes).
You may have a point re where I post such things as I am not yet used to the rules governing etiquette on these forums. I'm used to a far more open and freely expressive environment within the forums on which I usually post, (such as Piston Heads where you'd expect it to be cars only but the forum topics wander all over the place). To say that posting on a subject other than the technical in a forum called The Community I find a little weird though; what kind of a community would that turn out to be? I think that in principle posting opinion on the content of a wiki in a forum that pertains to be the wikis' community forum is highly relevant and to call it a waste of your time is not exactly saying a lot about the strength of your community now is it? Maybe we should debate that if the rules permit such a thing…
I think that my closing remark on this post is to point out the difference between learning to live with ideas with which one disagrees and simply not debating them. Surely they mean different things? In fact it could be argued that debating such ideas is learning to live with them although admittedly it does require the another party to respond to the points raised. So if you are serious about about the content of your post then perhaps discussion would be an idea rather than simply trying to quieten voices with which you disagree.
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longhornak 1214969531|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Two real quick things before I get into my point: One, I consider myself a Christian. Two, I am very new to this, so please forgive me if this is not the right place to say this.
Is not the 'Christian-baiting' along the same lines as those who would quash your ideas? You sound like a highly-intelligent person, and I would like to hear your ideas. If there is a proper place to post these ideas, I would like to know. I will warn you now though: my faith is strong, and I have had experiences that prove to me what I believe is true. However, we can discuss these ideas without resorting to sterotyping. We are all free to choose which path we take; for me to degrade your choices is as bad as if you would degrade mine. We can try to convince each other; we should not degrade into personal insults.
Thank you for your patience with me. Since I am new at this, I know I may have broken an unwritten rule or two. With this many people, we can and do have major disagreements. We all should discuss this intelligently, not derogatory. (I do include all the Christians that do not follow this rule, and I know there are many)
Re: Systematic Theology Forum
Helmuti_pdorf 1214982900|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
1. It is really the wrong place ! (go to http://wiki.theologer.com/ with it's forum )
2. I forgive you! :)
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Re: Systematic Theology Forum
Brigantia Chris 1216074854|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Helmuti_pdorf, I still disagree with you about where wiki content should and could be debated. After all, this discussion is not really about the same things as the Systematic Theology wiki is about and I wish to debate this here not somewhere else. At the risk of repeating myself this is the community area not the closed ranks, technical advice area which is elsewhere within this site. If you don't like it and disagree with me then please say so in a manner a little more verbose than "It is really the wrong place !"
Longhornak, pleased to make your acquaintance. Informed debate is always a pleasure and breaking the odd rule or two is not really all that bad when we're talking about this level of rules now is it?
The term Christian-baiting is intentionally inflammatory and is born of my previous dealings with many that describe themselves as Christian and their hypocritical quick-to-anger responses. I must confess that the whole idea of religion and spirituality seems very odd to me and I cannot really understand why intelligent people practice such things. I realise that the mind set must by a long way from where I am and the assumptions upon which such people base their lives, their very interpretations of reality, must be by definition peculiar. The big question to my mind is why bother? Life is so much better without the need for invented deities where one is godless and free that I cannot see the purpose of ever wanting to become involved in any of this. Is it really degrading of me to question such a thing? I suspect that you do not mean this, more the derogatory remark about baiting, (and I think that you know the types of people that I meant). Almost all acts of war, barbarism and ethnic violence are carried out in the name of one god or another so would the world not be better without them?
So Longhornak, what makes you believe? Why would someone like you take the time to follow the others into worship?
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Re: Systematic Theology Forum
Brigantia Chris 1214073695|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I have just looked at your wiki and much to my amusement I was met with this message; "The page sytematics:god you want to access does not exist."
I could not agree more!
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