Spreading? Wikidot needs help.
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started by: michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak
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The Wikidot.com project needs some advice and help from the community
Spreading?
michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1158056018|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi,

I have decided to start this thread because I simply need help. And also I treat Wikidot mainly as a community project, not a commercial one only.

I have started the Wikidot project and now it has >1000 registered accounts and hosts ~500 sites (some of these are abandoned of course). But although the numbers might look good, it is not that good after all and the trends are not very promising. The project needs some boost.

The complication also is that the whole Wikidot has been developed by me (only). I have been working on this for ~6 months. This is both good and bad — running costs are very low, but the "manpower" is limited too. It is also founded from private capital (limited too) which at the moment does not allow to hire additional developers or maintainers. I am hoping to get some $$ from EU for small companies and start-ups which possibly would change things a bit. There is also a possibility to start looking for some Venture Capital — but I would like to wait a bit before doing so or even avoid this.

The current assumptions for the service are to:

  • remain free and ads-supported (or "get rid of ads" for a small fee)
  • extend the user-base as much as possible
  • encourage people to build not only homepages, but larger community sites (with forums etc — this is what Wikidot is designed for)
  • concentrate on community-building aspects (not found in other Wiki solutions. ok, it is a buzzword a bit)
  • offer any "enterprise" version — not now. no money for it.

And I believe this could be done with the help of the Community — i.e. YOU ;-)

As you might have noticed Wikidot is "a bit" tech-oriented and has no fancy graphics (yet?) and not WYSIWYG editor (yet?). But (look at the list of features) it offers a lot to "power users", i.e. these who want to learn how to use Wikidot.

What I plan for the not-so-distance future are "private pages" - you could mark categories (namespaces) as "private", i.e. not visible to non-members. Quite a few people would like to use this feature which could be very good for the teamwork. It would be a paid option.

But the main concern at the moment is: how to encourage people to use Wikidot and to create interesting sites? What do you think about this?

I was thinking about reviews at some tech-oriented places and I believe that Wikidot is ready for this. Does anyone has any suggestions where to hit best? (http://techcrunch.com? http://slashdot.org?) Or perhaps the whole idea needs re-thinking? Or any other direction should be considered? Since last year when I started thinking about a Wiki farm the area became far more competitive…

The bottom line is that Wikidot needs more people, more traffic, more coverage, more everything — to exist, grow and become "a better place". A lot of people think it has a great potential but certainly right now it is the high-time to think how to spread and use this potential.

So far Wikidot got some attention because of the Steal This Film wiki and the CAPSoff campaign (covered by a lot of media). I am very thankful that they have chosen Wikidot to host their projects. Creative discussion with these guys also helped develop new features and fix bugs ;-)

I would be VERY grateful for ANY opinion and ANY help.


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalfrackowiak.com

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Re: Spreading?
pieterhpieterh 1158064071|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

OK, here are some random comments…

Why did I choose wikidot.com for CAPSoff? First, I wanted a free wikifarm. Actually before I found wikidot.com I did not even realise wikifarms existed. I tried jotspot.com but it was too commercial for my project. Wikidot.com looked right - not too fancy, not too simple. I've used wikis a lot, and it felt nice to use.

Why do I like wikidot.com? Because it's simple, and effective. I've got lots of ideas for extensions but basically what I need today, I have, and without any stress.

However, people who know wikis well are still a bit unusual. If you want a mass market, there are a few things to do before presenting wikidot.com to the wider world, IMO:

- site templates, so that a new site gets menus and initial content that help people get started
- shared page templates, for common types of page
- CSS templates, so that people can make *pretty* sites
- work on making common tasks easier to do, as a priority to adding more features

I have made a couple of sites that could easily become templates (e.g. a news/discussion site), a family site, etc. All I need is a place to stick these…

For CSS templates, you might want to (a) provide a place for people to contribute CSS layouts, and (b) get a designer to make a few professional layouts.

Reviews can help but you want more critical mass first, IMO. There needs to be a clear message why wikidot.com is different from other wikifarms and enough happy users to make reviews solid.

If you're not actually getting any revenue from the Google ads, I would disable these for now, because they will put off some people. I do find them a little annoying on some pages, where they come too close to the text. Just make sure your terms of service make it clear you may add these later.

For financing the development of the product, ignore VCs unless you really know what you are doing. VCs tend to have megalomaniac visions that work in 10% of their projects and destroy the other 90%. An angel investor can help if you can't grow organically any more. But I'd try to generate income from wikidot.com right away and base the business on that. You can also look for partners who are willing to co-fund your work in return for small shares.

Ways to make money… advertising, obviously, but that's not worth switching on until you get traffic. In general you need to provide something people really want and put a value on. In the short term, I'd definitely suggest that if people want specific features, custom CSS designs, etc. in a hurry they can pay for them.

Last thing, the thing that differentiates a wikifarm from stand-alone wikis is the community, and the reason people come back to a site is the community. So encourage this in every way possible. Some ideas:

  • A place where people can contribute skins, page templates, etc. and vote on them and then share them.
  • Open source the software so that people can develop and contribute modules.

Last last thing, I think wikidot has a real chance of great success, but you will need to be patient and economical and focussed on quality, speed, and making things simpler and more fun to use.

-Pieter

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Re: Spreading?
michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1158220883|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thanx. I think your ideas are very good but some time is needed to implement this. Some really good ideas are to make "site templates" available — so people could create e.g. forum sites straight away. Or news sites. Or photo galleries.

Also customization is important. BUT what bothers me a bit — we can not make it too complicated to use. Ordinary users (also perhaps power-users) would like to something more "clickable" — it is difficult to remember about all the modules available, all the syntax (although the editor gives hints and generates some code).

So perhaps the interface should be reconsidered a bit? "Modern" wikis use WYSIWYG editors to make editing easier. This however has several drawbacks when translating wiki syntax <—> html to edit. Because WYSIWYG editors operate solely on the HTML code. Some wikis (e.g. WetPaint) do not use wiki syntax at all — which is strange ;-)

But perhaps (since the editing, posting posts and generally writing) is the most common task on any wiki, we should work more on the ~WYSIWYG editing? (of course switchable to the source code). This would help a lot of people. Most of the browsers now have the design mode.

Also corporate users would gladly see this option too since the whole system would be much easier to use without learning the wiki-syntax (at least for the most basic editing).

And I have been thinking a lot about open-sourcing the code. And… YES. For a long-term strategy I think this is a VERY good thing. Of course it needs some time to prepare (not too much I hope) but it opens several new possibilities. I have been talking to a few people who would gladly use Wikidot internally for some teamwork. This would be the very first open-source multi-site software. If we could make it as easy to install as MediaWiki or WordPress — it would be great. Again there are a lot of technical issues (e.g. Wikidot works ONLY with PostgreSQL database, not MySQL) but they can be resolved. I hope. I have been observing how WordPress is doing and their model is quite nice.

When the decision about open-sourcing will be final all the development will be moved to http://www.wikidot.org.

As for ads — I think to have them from the beginning. I myself would be quite unhappy if I started a site without ads and after some time there would be some nasty ads on my pages. It is better when its obvious from the beginning. Another thing is that there will be an option to remove ads for a small fee. Quite soon.

well - back to work ;-)

michal


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalfrackowiak.com

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Re: Spreading?
makimaki 1197730559|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

+1 on site templates. Currently Wikidot has just too few themes to choose from. More "pre-feabricated" themes, more colour combinations, please; graphics is the first thing a user notices.


Help in the forum is easier with screenshots: http://community.wikidot.com/forum_screenshots

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Re: Spreading?
makimaki 1197735705|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

"In the short term, I'd definitely suggest that if people want specific features, custom CSS designs, etc. in a hurry they can pay for them." - Michal, I think you should explore this option.

What about publishing your Wikidot "technical to do list" and offering everyone who needs a feature outside the list (or needs a feature from the list urgently) to pay for its immediate development?

Of course there will be one condition: even though one pays for the development of a feature, once created, that feature will be freely available to every Wikidot user.

You could even open a marketplace on Wikidot for "Wikidot gurus" who are ready to respond to such requests. (Then they'll get the money but you would still benefit from greater and faster Wikidot development, as well as more time to focus on the rest of the "to do list".)


Help in the forum is easier with screenshots: http://community.wikidot.com/forum_screenshots

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Re: Spreading?
steigersteiger 1158161870|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

hi michal,
here just a few opinions from my side:

im a teacher for chemistry and informatics, pupils until 19 years, switzerland. we are evaluating some tools for our courses, ICT, eg. moodle.org, OLAT.org. a wiki is quite a good tool to provide informations to students. its also a great tool because students can also provide informations, so, we teacher like the wiki. :-)

on really bad thing is, that people can change my (hopefully) correct informations to wrong informations.

we teacher do not like this. same for other people … wikis with an easy mechanism to allow some users (members of a class) to modify some pages would be great. this is possible for your wiki (see thread http://community.wikidot.com/forum/t-54/class-user). cool. COOL!
for a more practical use it would be great, if
- the administor of a side could easily define some person having the permission to modify some pages (so far only possible for wikidot members)
- an easier mechanism which pages are allowed to be changed
- an easy backup system which would allow to restore the whole pages (moodle has a quite easy and cool feature which does allow this)

One big drawback for the usual ICT-tools for schools is, that the pages are often hidden behind a login … reason is usually, that
the teachers wants to have a control, which person would change their wikis …

i have the impression, that there is (at the moment) a quite boost on computer and education. combining your wiki with
educational portal. for switzerland: e.g. www.educa.ch.

- one drawback for all pages on the web: printing. also wiki. A wiki is a cool tool for any information, but there is, so far, a missing link between the screen-version and the print-version. the print-version is usually ugly. i guess, having a wiki with a good possibility to print some stuff in a pretty way would be great … your wiki?!

As 'pieterh' already wrote: 'pretty pages' with css, 'pretty paper version' with ?

i will write more, must prepare some exams … wish the best, rainer

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Re: Spreading?
michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1158221720|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi,

thanx for this point of view! I realize wikis are great for classrooms. I have been using moodle at the university and it was much too complicated (all the permissions etc). I still can not use it :-( Wikis are more "plain" but much more flexible too.

And ok — for purposes such as education (pupils have often nasty ideas) custom permissions and user classes would work nicely. This however introduces another level of complexity to the whole system… I will certainly need to rethink it.

Printing — of course it is a problem ;-) On Wikidot there is some print-hinting (when you click the "print" button") but this is not ideal for printing texts, scripts etc.

Fortunately Text_Wiki (which is used here as a base for wiki transformations) allow exporting as LaTeX. So possibly (after some tweaking) it would be possible to produce valid LaTeX code from the pages and convert it to PDF on the server. This would produce very nice printed version. Including math and other things.

CSS themes are important… Not everyone wants a plain, clean and… not-fancy themes. I hope there will be a few new ones (more "cute") ;-)


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalfrackowiak.com

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Re: Spreading?
Dominik MayerDominik Mayer 1163903935|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I vote for the pdf-export. Since I discovered wikidot.com I nearly do all my work in my privat wiki and it would be great if I could just export it to pdf.

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Re: Spreading?
michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1164042451|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Cool! I am indeed exploring the pdf/ms-office/open-office export/import formats. It seem that it can be done at some point!!! (I hope quite quickly, but there are other things too).

michal


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalfrackowiak.com

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Re: Spreading?
raghavanraghavan 1159712574|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

First of all let me congratulate you,on your fantastic site.All the more so,as it is a single person effort,namely,yourself.
To get more people,I would like to suggest the following;-
1.Iinclude an "INVITE",feature,by which,letters of invitation can be sent to people whose e-mail address is known.
2. Let the members of wikidot.com,be aware of this.
Regards,
Sadasivan
http://v12v.wikidot.com

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Re: Spreading?
FlemmingFlemming 1170860631|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi Michal

a little sad to hear wikidot is somewhat struggling for it's life. I sincerely hope it will
stay as the superb service it is, on the Internet
I have a few comments:


I think you'll find it a hard time to make wikidot a community it self. The competition from bloggers are way to hard, I find.
Better look at wikidot as a communities per wikodot-site.


I don't think you'll gain more users adding more features. On the contrary. The many features and the tech-approach does not appeal to the mainstream user.


Wikidot is not the place you put your diary.
IMHO you are trying to achieve something impossible. Wikidot are about sites
and not so much about pages. You wont see a "lemming" effect at wikidot I am affraid. Having in mind that the wikidot learning curve is rather steep and combine that with the above, leads to a limited number of users.
But I am rather confident that you can sustain a loyal number of those.
Because you indeed mix publishing and user participation by means of
sofisticated forum options in a very rich and unique way.


IMHO:
Think BLOG, think default wikidot settings, think "no more" new features for the time being:

  1. Make a number(max 8) ready-to-use "site" templates with one page, ready to edit.I am sure the existing wikidot community can help.
  2. And only so few options to chose among. Basically the site name and a valid email-address.
  3. Make a set of VERY open default values(very important)

If this could be accomplished by means of a GUI interface, that'll be great. But it's not important.
The important thing is that the user feels stimulated because he/she is in "control"
and experience a success(that's not the case for the majority of users who visite wikidot to day)
and you'll end up with a site that provides a blog-a-like ready-to-use site with ONE active page.
And let it grow from there.

If at all consider new features it might be:

  1. a youtube and flickr wizard in the editor(consider making a formel co-existence with the two, I mean you are already "supporting" them)
  2. permalink per page

And then; WHEN the administrator and his/hers users ask for a feature,
they are most certainly already there.

I think that's about it!

best regards Flemming

PS: I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable yearly fee for wikidot. I could easyly do with a wikidot
as of today. I am much more concerned about the very existence of the service.

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Re: Spreading?
arkansasarkansas 1171051307|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

To jump in, I agree with you very much that it is a group of communities rather than one. I also agree with the ease of use at startup focus you suggest. But you cannot ignore your real wiki users also. I still think that the wiki is the central concept to build the communities around with other services (email lists, forums, etc.) orbiting that central concept.

The strength of this site right now is the attractive and easy to use wiki core and to promote as just another blog or social networking site seems wrong. Right now people who know what a wiki is are the customers and they come here because it looks better and is more advanced than the other wiki farm alternatives. It seems like the constituency is not bloggers, but instead people who are familiar with Wikipedia or others and want their own "encyclopedia/community" for specialized areas.

To attract users who are not familiar with a wiki….you are right that you have to make it easy to start up and get SOMETHING going and feel in control. But you have to follow on with some sort of education to get them beyond that and into more advanced wiki work…..hints at more advanced stuff as they go along.

This is such a beautiful interface and so much better than other wiki farms, that I too would gladly pay a bit of a fee. I can't pay much, but would not begrudge paying a bit for use of this wonderful site.

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Re: Spreading?
FlemmingFlemming 1171394546|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi

arkansas wrote:

To attract users who are not familiar with a wiki….you are right that you have to make it easy to start up and get SOMETHING going and feel in
control. But you have to follow on with some sort of education to get them beyond that and into more advanced wiki work…..hints at more advanced stuff as they go along.

My original response was first most aimed on how to get more users; because that's Michal's main concern.
No matter how(IMHO); including next to 100% freedom to use and co-develop WIKIDOT to whatever that will be.
To a certain extent it might be a BLOG in wiki-disguise. May be with a starter approach like this
http://www.socialtext.com/ E.g notice a simple but effectfull design with the operation buttons
at the top like the "edit". That kind of things.

arkansas wrote:

The strength of this site right now is the attractive and easy to use wiki core and to promote as just another blog or social networking site seems wrong.

IMHO:
I don't agree in that at all. WIKIDOT is not an easy to use WIKI(in fact not that many WIKI's are) especially
not compared to BLOG's - that's off course why I suggest BLOG approach in the first place.
Inthe sense of basic starter template BLOG featured functionallity.
WIKIDOT's richness in features are its strengt and weakness.

best regards Flemming

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FlemmingFlemming 1171055968|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi, here I go again

do you know this site:

http://www.socialtext.com/

thats the kind of default layout I am talking about in my former mail.
If you could make a number of basic featured working templates like that, then I think it's possible to reach less technically minded users(i.e. more users).
You might consider using an open source approach to acchieve it. I am not a programmer myself, but I know this and that about core community facilities. And I'd like to help you, or at least comment on your ideas.

BTW:
you are not mentioned here !?:

http://personalweb.about.com/od/wikihostingandsoftware/Wiki_Sites_Wikia_Wikicities_etc.htm

Do you skype. We could make a session some time in this weekend !? Find my Skype info here:

http://herald-tips-tricks.wikidot.com/herald:author

best regards Flemming

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Re: Spreading?
namzezamnamzezam 1171325613|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi, I suggest to focus on statistic, as they are reflected in nice positions in google results. This attract those who are interesting in their marketing. In my case the results are impressive, i could specify what i mean. Hope it could help. ;-)
good time good luck

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Re: Spreading?
Merlin LaroqueMerlin Laroque 1174655374|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Michal,
I could spend some time in supporting your great wikidot-project.
I would like to make it multi-lingual, by translating help-files, button-texts etc.
And I could design some cool CSS-templates if that us useful to your project.
Just let me know.

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makimaki 1197735004|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I would suggest a video presentation introducing the concept of the wiki.

I bet a lot of people want to build sites but have neither knowledge in html nor any time or desire to learn it. At the same time they associate the word "wiki" only with collaborative content creation and not with a an EASY to learn, yet flexible syntax.

I myself am such a person. Long ago I was looking for a way to build a site without using html. I was associating the idea of my quest with phrases such as "site creator" or "site builder" and it never occurred to me that wikis were a solution, too. It was only by chance that I visited http://capsoff.org and the "Thanks to wikidot.com for providing the infrastructure for this website." note urged me to realise that this site was built on a "site builder".

Update: Suggestion added here, as well: http://community.wikidot.com/start-ideas:wikidot-on-youtube

Update2: samoore has created nice video tutorials on YouTube: http://bit330f08.wikidot.com/wiki-resources-and-videos


Help in the forum is easier with screenshots: http://community.wikidot.com/forum_screenshots

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makimaki 1197736137|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Post a "Call for proposals" to Wikidot users with a writing talent to share PR stories how Wikidot helped them; select the best one by votes from Wikidot users and publish them somewhere.

Or just open a page for wiki PR story for Wikidot.

Update: already available here: http://community.wikidot.com/promote


Help in the forum is easier with screenshots: http://community.wikidot.com/forum_screenshots

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makimaki 1197764949|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

What about opening a page "Wikidot's Competition" where users would be able to list the features they love in competitive wiki farms - I believe this would bring great feedback for Wikidot.


Help in the forum is easier with screenshots: http://community.wikidot.com/forum_screenshots

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cslimcslim 1200347135|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Ok. my suggestion : -

+++ 1. a proper/creative/simple search engine .

Purpose : allow me to key in what i want as what i'm thinking of and you help to me to relate to respective function.
Result : i solve my immediate " need " , as well as learn your function.
Impact : it creates the immediate interest for me to come back to wikidot everyday as addicted to it.

2. a simple " link "

, to recommend to friends , immediately after this

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makimaki 1219702662|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

http://community.wikidot.com/promote


Help in the forum is easier with screenshots: http://community.wikidot.com/forum_screenshots

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Re: Spreading? Wikidot needs help.
shemoshemo 1158165937|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi,

I havent really had the time to get into this and check what I could do with a wiki site.

What came to my mind though is that it might be something af a next generation blog… that was after reading www.strobist.blogspot.com - I commented on the last post but the comment has not appeared yet - I suggetsed transferring the page's forum to wikidot.com… that might generate some new users.

The Idea of changing sites is cool, but it has the drawbacks already mentioned by steiger.

another thing is that having no experience with wiki sites I find this a bit discouraging

What I like though is the maths tool, which could be used to easily creata a scientific forum I believe, but again, the option of arbitrary changes the content comes into play…

I think that a bit of publicity would do good, so you should think of some ways how to get to people who are most likely to need wikidot.

- you could also post an animation to 'youtube' or sometihing….

and, after all, graphic interface is what people love and find easy to use….

ok, I have to get back to work.

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Re: Spreading? Wikidot needs help.
willfulwizardwillfulwizard 1158224106|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hey.
I like the idea of WikiDot being promoted as a place to blog. A lot of the things on my wiki would have gone on my blog had a friend not suggested a wiki. I choose WikiDot because of the full control over the non-blob content/style, and I believe others would too.

Promoting Wikidot as a good place to blog does have a downside: it puts you up against Live Journal and My Space. (These are the ones I'm exposed to as a senior in college majoring in computer science) When I realized how much LJ and MS overlapped, I choose one, and didn't touch the other. Others will have similar reactions, and the choice is usually made based on where their friends already are. Thats a problem, but maybe one you can overcome.

I have one big suggestion. If you want to gain from other social networks, make Wikidot part of Open Id. Maybe even get them to try moving the OpenID wiki to wikidot (assuming they don't host it themselves.) Once Wikidot supports OpenId, I can go post a comment on LJ from WillfulWizard.Wikidot.com. People will see the comment, think "wikidot? whats that?", hopefully click on the link, and find out. I for one would be happy to post comments with a wikidot signiture.

The next few times that I'm using WikiDot heavily, I'll see just how much I could convert from LJ to wikidot without losing my LJ infrastructure. If its successful, I'd be happy to do the bulk of the work on adding such a tutorial to the community site.

Finally, I want to say that I feel google adds are worth it. Unlike most internet advertising, google ads can be relevant to the page you're on, and therefor possibly useful. I certainly wouldn't mind the site without them, but if you can keep the ads to just google, I'll come here for all my wiki needs as long as you're online.

A very pleased fellow developer
Will

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Re: Spreading? Wikidot needs help.
michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1158256803|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi,

I have a very mixed feeling about OpenID — imho it is a very good project but it somehow failed in the first round (with the 1.0 and 1.1) but certainly has a great potential. IF more online services are going to use it.

For ordinary users it is quite difficult to use. And although some web sites support OpenID, your options are often limited if you are only a "guest".

I was already thinking about it when designing the authorization model. And it was too risky to use it as the primary (and only) authorization. But as a secondary — would be great to extend the reach. You are right.

As for ads — I am glad they do not disturb too much. I'd rather keep them in such a place than promoting them e.g. to between paragraphs (pbwiki did this once) ;-) I am not sure if I stick with Google AdSense — but I will try to use similar, context-aware solutions.

I have been also thinking about a set of modules that would enable typical blogging functionality on the top of the forum structure — with things like callendar, full-month view etc. But this would come a bit later.

cheers - michal


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalfrackowiak.com

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Re: Spreading? Wikidot needs help.
The Horror Movie ManThe Horror Movie Man 1161033876|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hello I am down to help as much as I can as long as you stay free.
I have a lot of really good Ideas but No manpower. I barly Sleep as it is.
This is my first time to Wikidot.com I need to set up my account and maybe I can
help with the moderation of the abandon sites and Bring in some more Traffic
through some other forums in the open sorce world. But I am forming a nonprofit
and can only be involved with Donations "A Powerfull Tool" that I really need to
start using becase like yourself I have slaved over projects. I Will post that later.
Any how I am hear if you need me just tell me what you need and maybe how to do it.

Good work
eerie

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Re: Spreading? Think multilingual !
gerdamigerdami 1164146151|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi, I am Gerdami, from Belgium. My first language is French.
I've been running my own private wiki on http://www.lycos.fr for a while. It is a Russian WackoWiki which comes in Russian, Polish, English, Spanish, ….
I just landed on Wikidot thanks to a Google ad I saw when listening to rb_logo_big.gif.
I really like your Wikidot farm. I have created http://fivenations.wikidot.com as communication tool between golf players.
Unfortunalety, most of them do not understand a word of English. The Wiki concept is already unusual, with the foreign language difficulty …
If you look at Wikia you will see that the final user can choose the language of the interface as it also the case for Wikipedia.
I am sure that you can count on the Wikidot community to help you translate the interface in any language of the world. Of course language pages would be wikidot pages… héhé.
I would be happy to translate into French.
Good luck!
Gerdami


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