Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

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What with different name-spaces for the handbook document.

Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185616072|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I ask You, if we can introduce different name spaces on the handbook site ?

Like handbook.wikidot.com\de:administration or fr:administration ?

In other open source wikis there is the "manual" word used for such online manual.

I have no idea if handbook is easy to undeerstand in other languages.

But this would help us to promote wikidot in other languages.

And we can translate some documentation pages ( like faq:…) into different languages on the handbook..\de: or fr: directly ( not with links )
Regards
Helmut

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

gerdami 1185620136|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Very good idea, Helmut.
Besides the navigation features pages, final doc pages written in english should also belong to an en: category (or namespace).

Hence with the Pages module, we could list pages by language with
[[module Pages category="en"]] or [[module Pages category="de"]]

Another idea would be the use of redirection to easily link en: pages to fr: pages:
en:glossary is the reference page
fr:glossary would redirect to fr:glossaire
de:glossary would redirect to de:glossar

Provided that we could use the system variable {$current-page-name},
it would be easy to link to de:{$current-page-name} or fr:{$current-page-name} … or pl:{$current-page-name} or … ; which would have been written once in a template.

How are the others (wikimedia) doing ?

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Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185692394|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi gerdami!

to be honets, I had a look on my "Blender.org" foundation and how they made their online manuals.(why I am founding member of this wonderful open source project organization ?)

Here the "english" manual is a redirection from the standard (english) manual ) too :)) looks intelligent

http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Manual

and all other languages have their own redirects from standard

Here is their "Localisation and Naming" convention for new writers:

http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta/i18n

and some thoughts about th eproblems with a manual on/in Meta - mediawiki:

http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta/MediaWiki_optimised_for_manuals

here is the ( english) Style guide:

http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta/Style_Guide

AND HERE ARE TH LANGUAGE CODES:

http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#Language-Codes

= = = = = = = = =

On the other hand:
why we don not use the wikidot "Sites" more extensive with complete separate sites for a language?:
manual-fr.wikidot.com
Handbuch-de.wikidot.com

-benefits: we would have lower backup sizes, more MB for picture spaces ( if we could not use the same english pictures…!

costs: more overview/collecting organisation-work to do.

Whats Your opinion ?

Regards
helmut

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Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185699380|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi gerdami!

I created a page called translations in the handbook - please feel free to write down your proposals!

I am a litttle unsure about the redirect module:

- is it easy to use ?
- is it really neccessary ?

and about the 100 MB image size - I hope this is enough for some languages.

Regards
Helmut

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185700707|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Next question :
how work the tags in an multy category environment ? - Helmut

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Phil Chett 1185736651|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Beware of page re directs. (url redirects are ok)
Once you set a page to go else where, you cannot do anything with it.
No editing, or changing, or even seeing the page.

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

gerdami 1185737632|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Once you set a page to go else where, you cannot do anything with it.
No editing, or changing, or even seeing the page.

I have tested the redirection and got NO problem to edit the page again.

See: http://community.wikidot.com/forum/t-14503/can-t-edit-redirection-page#post-36238

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185777568|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I for my own think they are perhaps not really neccessary. But could be I have not yet long enough thought about this issue… - Helmut

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

gerdami 1185795504|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I had a look at the Blender wiki.
Indeed, it is organized close to what I suggested above: same wiki, different namespaces

Look at http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/QuickStart you will see

This page in other languages … with links to QuickStart.fr, QuickStart.it, etc.

Without redirections, page names would be the same that the reference English page but with the page title in the Foreign language.
Doc pages in Foreign languages would have a link to reference English page.

As regards the screenshots, they can be the same since we are documenting the English Wikidot 1.0.
I don't think the 100Mb is an issue, at the moment.

As regards backup ? What backup ?

As regards separate wikis, I don't like the current tendency to multiply the Community wikidot websites: www, snippets, community, handbooks(?), admin… … because it is difficult to search them all, except with this, or to make linkages between them (no backlinks ?). Also, we would have one unique forum attached to the handbook with different language categories.

As regards the tags, they will be English tags related to English commands and modules.
The TagCloud module allows to filter by category, thus by language namespace.

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Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185817451|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Fine gerdami!

i would like to start without redirects from original english names- could this be inplemented later ? Or is this an expensive work than ?

Backup: I mean the periodic one I do now with download on my PVC for security reason…

I know on a wiki nothing will be lost… but however I can perhaps sleep a little better now…

Thanks for the Tags hint! I had a look on the Page tree ( site map) - but this is not really a problem - because any paentship would be normally under the same language category.. - Helmut

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

gerdami 1185837267|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

and about the 100 MB image size

Helmut,
I had a look at your screenshots:
http://handbook.wikidot.com/local--files/start-a-wiki/Start_Wiki_01b.jpg
seems very big : 234.97 kB.
I took a screenshot of your image with ScreenHunter 5.0 free which is available here:
http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tg=dl-20&qt=screenhunter&tag=srch
and the size was only 90 kB.
What are you using for screen hunting?

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

gerdami 1185862078|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Anyone would be kind enough to promote me as an admin of handbook.wikidot.com ?

Re: Handbook in german, francais, ... ?

Helmuti_pdorf 1185865645|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi Gedami!

Sorry, I invited you to be an admin.
At the beginning of this handbook I had never a look on the members/admin list. I always thougt they are near the same as in the wikidot admin site. - Helmut

Re: Screenshots for handbook

Helmuti_pdorf 1185866554|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi Gerdami!

Thank you for the hint.
It is intresting where the differences ly between your image capturing and mine!

I use an old version of Printkey2000 ( v5.10) with the abilty to change to different color palletes (Black/white, 16K color to 65 MB color).
I tried to minimize the size of the jpg files by down - scratching ( correct word?) to the minimum possible colors with too big losses.

I will try the screenhunter you use.
Or change to the newest version to prinkey-pro ( 20,- $).

Regards
Helmut

Re: Screenshots for handbook

gerdami 1185920576|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I've been using ScreenHunter 4.0 Free for some time and went to the free version of ScreenHunter 5.0. which is a little bit memory hungrier than the previous version but I like the possibility to measure easily the screen or the picture to capture. Give it a try (free).