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Help with Xitami Web Server: Re: Help with Xitami Web Server

Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:39:29 +0000

LOL… the admin of xitami.com is myself… this is software I wrote ages ago, a very fast little web server.

@Diraj, please use the Xitami mailing list for this question (which as far as I can see is a pure HTML issue, and nothing to do with Xitami).

Help with Xitami Web Server: Re: Help with Xitami Web Server

Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:12:00 +0000

You should direct your question to the admins at http://www.xitami.com/ as this is the forum for wikidot support.

Help with Xitami Web Server: Help with Xitami Web Server

Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:10:40 +0000

I recently noticed an issue with the declaration in safari browser. I dont see any CSS applied to the page while using safari browser and Xitami web server, but using Apache on my localhost and it works fine. I tried to remove the declaration on the Xitami web server then the page displays all the CSS but all IE is messed up now. I used declaration and Apache, all browsers work fine. I don't what the deal is with declaration, Xitami, Safari and IE. Can anyone help me. Thanks in advance.

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:28:12 +0000

wow odd…

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:24:44 +0000

Freaky!

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:22:57 +0000

And I just added a duplicate list inside a collapsible block on the same sandbox page and you can see the formatting is differrent.

-Ed

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:45:49 +0000

Here's a short bulleted list I created in the sandbox to illustrate the problem.

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:02:51 +0000

Please make a page with readable source (source is not readable for comments here) that contains only the bullet list that's broken with a minimum needed length, so we can investigate this problem. Thanks for reporting.

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:10:04 +0000

Note that when Ed edited the original post somehow the indenting at the bottom of the list worked correctly

Adding even more mystery to this issue! All I did was wrap your list in a collapsible block ([[collapsible]] ... [[/collapsible]]) to shorten your post. I did not edit anything in the list itself.

-Ed

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:58:50 +0000

Thank you. Note that when Ed edited the original post somehow the indenting at the bottom of the list worked correctly, even though the blank line is still there. Both the blank line and the indent problems remain on my site. I put an anchor at the precise location.

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:42:39 +0000

I've added it to our list, thanks for the reproducible case.

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:42:10 +0000

I'm sure Pieter will see this and have the developers take a look at what's going on.

-Ed

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:33:19 +0000

Thanks Ed. I agree that it seems to be a parser problem. Is this post adequate to get this added to the developer "to do" list, or should I post somewhere else too?

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Re: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:06:05 +0000

It looks like you've found a bug in the Wikidot parser. For some reason the list is getting "closed" where the first break appears. It looks like anything below that first break is not getting rendered properly, even though it looks like a new list is started. I looked at the HTML source to figure this out. I recreated the source here and formatted it so you can see where the problem occurs. I placed comments where the parser seems to have made a "mistake". It seems apparent that when a list reaches a certain length, something trips up the parser.

-Ed

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 <ul> <li><a class="newpage" href="/internet-advertising">Internet advertisinga> <ul> <li>Businesses will pay for people's attention. This is called the <a class="newpage" href="/economics-of-attention">economics of attentiona>. li> <li>Many web sites earn revenue from businesses that want to get the attention of people who visit that web site.li> <li>There are many advertising-based business models, which is one of the reasons why there is so much free stuff on the internetli> <li>Display advertising is the the type of advertising that displays ads from third parties on web sites <ul> <li>The participants in the <a class="newpage" href="/internet-advertising">display advertising industrya> include: <ul> <li>Advertisers: the people who buy the ads (usually businesses)li> <li>Web site owners: people who own the sites on which the ads are displayed e.g. <a href="http://nytimes.com">The New York Timesa>. Space in which ads can be placed is called "real estate."li> <li>Intermediaries: internet advertising agencies that develop the ads, advertising networks that distribute the ads across many different web sites, ad servers (such as DoubleClick — now owned by Google) — companies that place the ad on the web siteli> ul> li> <li>Unlike static advertising such as that in print magazines and on television, online advertisers can display different ads to different users, based in information about the users <ul> <li><a class="newpage" href="/internet-marketing">Behavioral targetinga> is the practice of targeting ads to users based on their online behavior i.e. the sites they visitli> <li>Display advertisers use cookies to target adsli> <li>Display advertising advantages: can promote a brand and build awarenessli> <li>Display advertising disadvantages: just like TV ads, you don't know if the people who see the ads are interested at all in the productli> ul> li> ul> li> <li>Search advertising is the practice of placing advertisements in people's search results <ul> <li>Search advertising has a big advantage over other types of advertising: you know what people are looking for by what they type into the search engineli> <li>Advertisers will pay a premium to get access to users who are actively looking for somethingli> <li>That's how <a class="newpage" href="/google">Googlea> makes <em>a lotem> of moneyli> <li>Search advertising advantages: can target ads at people actively looking to buy somethingli> <li>Search advertising disadvantages: cannot stimulate interest of people who are not looking; cannot build a brand e.g. "Coke" using search advertisingli> ul> li> <li><a class="newpage" href="/internet-marketing">Search engine optimizationa>: the art of designing your web site so it is at the top of relevant search engine resultsli> <li><a class="newpage" href="/viral-marketing">Viral marketinga> and its close relative, <a class="newpage" href="/social-media-marketing">social media marketinga> use social networks to get people to share ads or product information with their friends and to gather information about the users of social networks <ul> <li>Facebook, Twitter and MySpace are the best known examplesli> <li>But there are many others: [[social]]li> <li>Advantages of social media marketing: people tend to trust and pay attention to recommendations from their friends; can spread funny or interesting messages very fast (called "going viral"); can be low cost or even "free" if you post your own advertising messagesli> <li>Disadvantages of social media marketing: some products or services may not be interesting enough to "go viral"; results are unpredictable; people may resent having their personal information usedli> ul> li> <li>Email marketing is adverting in emails <ul> <li>Most useful for repeat customers, as the business already has their email addressli> <li>Advantages: low cost; can stimulate purchase from repeat customersli> <li>Disadvantages: can be hard to reach new prospects (seen as "spam")li> ul> li> <li>Blogs, user forums, customer complaints <ul> <li>Blogs provide a way to broadcast information to customersli> <li>Customer comments on blogs can be a useful form of customer feedbackli> <li>User forums can be useful both for solving customer problems and getting customers to help each otherli> <li>Advantages of blogs and customer forums: low costli> <li>Disadvantages of blogs and customer forums: customer complaints can be very visible to prospective new customersli> ul> li> <li>Promotion on third-party shopping sites such as <a href="http://www.google.com/products">Google Productsa>, <a href="http://ebay.com">eBaya>, Craigslist <ul> <li>Advantages of promotion on shopping sites: much greater exposure; some listings are free (e.g. Google Products)li> <li>Disadvantages of promotion on shopping sites: product comparison is often by price, resulting in intense price competitionli> ul> li> ul> li> ul> <! The top level list is getting closed incorrectly on the line above -> <! A new list is started here -> <ul> <li>The web site is an important marketing tool <strong>here is the first problem — an extra blank linestrong>li> ul> <ul> <li>Ultimately, almost all forms of online advertising direct the user to a web site <strong>here is the second problem — indentation not workingstrong>li> <li>It is then up to the design of that web site to turn a visitor into a customer <strong>indentation still not workingstrong>li> <li>You need to understand the elements of web site design <strong>indentation still not workingstrong>li> ul> <! A new list is incorrectly started here -> <ul> <li>You need to be able to develop an online marketing campaign <strong>unwanted blank linestrong>li> ul> <! A new list is incorrectly started here -> <ul> <li>Select target <strong>indentation not workingstrong>li> <li>Develop budget <strong>indentation still not workingstrong>li> <li>Select tactics <strong>indentation still not workingstrong>li> ul>

Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines - parser bug?: Bulleted lists create unwanted blank lines

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:29:01 +0000

Here's the link to my site: http://theinternetandbusiness.wikidot.com/outline-and-learning-outcomes#marketing_outcomes. Scroll to the bottom of the code below and you'll see the extra blank lines at the bottom and the failure of indentation.

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Internet advertising
- Businesses will pay for people's attention. This is called the economics of attention.
- Many web sites earn revenue from businesses that want to get the attention of people who visit that web site.
- There are many advertising-based business models, which is one of the reasons why there is so much free stuff on the internet
- Display advertising is the the type of advertising that displays ads from third parties on web sites
  - The participants in the display advertising industry include:
    - Advertisers: the people who buy the ads (usually businesses)
    - Web site owners: people who own the sites on which the ads are displayed e.g. The New York Times. Space in which ads can be placed is called "real estate."
    - Intermediaries: internet advertising agencies that develop the ads, advertising networks that distribute the ads across many different web sites, ad servers (such as DoubleClick — now owned by Google) — companies that place the ad on the web site
  - Unlike static advertising such as that in print magazines and on television, online advertisers can display different ads to different users, based in information about the users
    - Behavioral targeting is the practice of targeting ads to users based on their online behavior i.e. the sites they visit
    - Display advertisers use cookies to target ads
    - Display advertising advantages: can promote a brand and build awareness
    - Display advertising disadvantages: just like TV ads, you don't know if the people who see the ads are interested at all in the product
- Search advertising is the practice of placing advertisements in people's search results
  - Search advertising has a big advantage over other types of advertising: you know what people are looking for by what they type into the search engine
  - Advertisers will pay a premium to get access to users who are actively looking for something
  - That's how Google makes a lot of money
  - Search advertising advantages: can target ads at people actively looking to buy something
  - Search advertising disadvantages: cannot stimulate interest of people who are not looking; cannot build a brand e.g. "Coke" using search advertising
- Search engine optimization: the art of designing your web site so it is at the top of relevant search engine results
- Viral marketing and its close relative, social media marketing use social networks to get people to share ads or product information with their friends and to gather information about the users of social networks
  - Facebook, Twitter and MySpace are the best known examples
  - But there are many others: [[social]]
  - Advantages of social media marketing: people tend to trust and pay attention to recommendations from their friends; can spread funny or interesting messages very fast (called "going viral"); can be low cost or even "free" if you post your own advertising messages
  - Disadvantages of social media marketing: some products or services may not be interesting enough to "go viral"; results are unpredictable; people may resent having their personal information used
- Email marketing is adverting in emails
  - Most useful for repeat customers, as the business already has their email address
  - Advantages: low cost; can stimulate purchase from repeat customers
  - Disadvantages: can be hard to reach new prospects (seen as "spam")
- Blogs, user forums, customer complaints
  - Blogs provide a way to broadcast information to customers
  - Customer comments on blogs can be a useful form of customer feedback
  - User forums can be useful both for solving customer problems and getting customers to help each other
  - Advantages of blogs and customer forums: low cost
  - Disadvantages of blogs and customer forums: customer complaints can be very visible to prospective new customers
- Promotion on third-party shopping sites such as Google Products, eBay, Craigslist
  - Advantages of promotion on shopping sites: much greater exposure; some listings are free (e.g. Google Products)
  - Disadvantages of promotion on shopping sites: product comparison is often by price, resulting in intense price competition

The web site is an important marketing tool here is the first problem — an extra blank line
- Ultimately, almost all forms of online advertising direct the user to a web site here is the second problem — indentation not working
- It is then up to the design of that web site to turn a visitor into a customer indentation still not working
- You need to understand the elements of web site design indentation still not working
You need to be able to develop an online marketing campaign unwanted blank line
- Select target indentation not working
- Develop budget indentation still not working
- Select tactics indentation still not working

However, I cannot replicate the problem with a short bulleted list:

Level 1
- Level 2
  - Level 3
Level 1

Inviting members becomes difficult since there are so many: Re: Inviting members becomes difficult since there are so many

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:27:23 +0000

The simpler models are:

open access
private, with password that you can share

Provide your name???: Re: Provide your name???

Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:20:53 +0000

For the Community, anonymous users are not allowed to post. I get this error:

I know that, but I swear I did not get this message that you show, but the one from my first post. At the Community site. I started as logged in, then I logged out with the edit widnow open, and tried to save, then I got this message, asking my name. There was no form as at your site and I did not have any place to write it. I just wanted to see what this meant, since I did not understand what this message is saying, and what is that it wants me to do, and to suggest different text. Nothing more.

Provide your name???: Re: Provide your name???

Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:49:46 +0000

The name is anything that you want. If you typed "Brunhilda" then you would appear as Brunhilda (anonymous) 28 Nov 2009, 19:41 +10.500 for example.

For the Community, anonymous users are not allowed to post. I get this error:

Don't panic, but
Sorry, you can not add new post in this thread. Only Wikidot.com registered users, members of this site, site administrators and perhaps selected moderators are allowed to.

For my own site (which does allow anonymous posting), it opens in a Guest Commenting mode. If I ignore the "name" field but enter something into the email address field, it asks me to enter my name — which is the error message you got.

You can try this for yourself here: http://cyclods.wikidot.com/news:49.

Inviting members becomes difficult since there are so many: Inviting members becomes difficult since there are so many

Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:48:44 +0000

If you start a new private site and want to invite members you go to the admin part. you type in a member name like lets say "steven" , I forgot his family name so I was hoping to see it, when I pressed search… The list is too long and his name was not on there… where is the rest of the list?

Provide your name???: Re: Provide your name???

Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:11:37 +0000

it asks for your name and a few other details.

It asked only for a name.

Are you suggesting that I could have saved the post only by giving my name? That I didn't need to be logged in? It happened at Community site. If yes, where I should have written my name? And that "name", is it my real name or my Wikidot name?